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Post by nola on Oct 12, 2012 7:19:56 GMT -8
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Post by Yodaman on Oct 12, 2012 11:29:10 GMT -8
Thanks for that link Trey... err Ms. Nola! The first sentence irks me a bit because you haven't actually taken something that they physically constructed. I get what hes saying but it isn't quite the same thing. I've downloaded stuff no doubt... I've always bought tons of CDs... shirts... concerts... and put lots of energy, blood, sweat and the occasion tear. Its a fact that on average people who pirate music buy more music then the average person who has never touched a torrent.
My CD collection isn't that big... My digital one is fairly large. I have maybe around 100 physical CDs (add 20ish more from iTunes I bought with gift cards but I have a hard time counting those). But that's about 6-7 years of occasional purchases with no real income... Now that I just got a job look for my collection to double over the next year or so. Guess what? I will probably still DL stuff during that time. So not only am I a bigger BUYER then most iTunes buyers I also use SPOTIFY even when I own the physical album. Look at my last.fm listen over the past 8 months... 60% of that is on Spotify. The other 40% being iPod, iTunes and last.fm radio.
Also I've downloaded artist that I would have no other way of getting my hands on if it wasn't for file sharing. Things like Black River and Lollipop Lust Kill quickly come to mind.
Just my 2 cents.
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Post by nola on Oct 12, 2012 12:33:11 GMT -8
I'm not sure why this topic isn't discussed more by artists, because the facts surrounding the VERY common occurrence needs to be made more clear, IMO. I assume that most artists don't want to risk the Lars/Metallica type backlash although I'm not sure that really affected Metallica "business" all that much. I normally don't download except for evaluation purposes, which I think is fair. I do far less of that now with Spotify, which the Dillinger singer mentioned as a viable option for fans. An exception which I know I've mentioned before is when an album is out of print, or out of country and not available to me on hardcopy. If the artist is giving away their music through a DL, I'll of course take it. Obviously if a band like the Deftones can stream two full singles online, offering one as a free download, and then play two new songs off the yet to be released album to live audiences (who YT the shit out them) then they (or their label) can't be too worried about it affecting sales of the upcoming album release. The issue really does affect bands/artists differently. Depending on how successful they are, how much label support they have, what kind of contract they have, touring deal, merchandising, etc. That part you wrote about "not really taking anything they have physically constructed" seems like a weak justification Yodes.  You didn't steal a master tape, CD or vinyl album, but that digital file you ripped absolutely falls under a copy-write that covers their intellectual property. True, music isn't something you can physically touch, but it has an intangible value. A better justification would be that some bands can afford the loss of CD revenue because they make up to 90% off of ticket sales to their live gigs. However, if that's the way we "push" them to be compensated then they may stop fighting to keep ticket sales affordable for fans. Just my 3-1/2 cents.  |
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Post by manson7703 on Oct 12, 2012 16:23:41 GMT -8
It's very interesting to see how artists view this issue differently. Dillinger's singer finds it to be robbery, but David Draiman of Disturbed practically called illegal downloading a service to bands. His argument is that the more people who are exposed to his music, the more people will come to shows, and the best way to expose people to music is make it cheap, or better yet free, and accessible.
I personally don't illegally download, more because I'm not tech savvy and don't want a virus than for the sake of bands, but I have many friends who do and I'm very accepting of the free music they burn me copies of lol. If a local or underground band sells a cd I buy it because at that level that money does make a difference, but for most established bands it's a very small slice of the pie.
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You didn't steal a master tape, CD or vinyl album, but that digital file you ripped absolutely falls under a copy-write that covers their intellectual property. True, music isn't something you can physically touch, but it has an intangible value. A better justification would be that some bands can afford the loss of CD revenue because they make up to 90% off of ticket sales to their live gigs. However, if that's the way we "push" them to be compensated then they may stop fighting to keep ticket sales affordable for fans. 